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Comment/feedback # 74
| The chart shows an astounding comparison results where Asian Americans are having much lower chance (roughly 40% less) than other major ethnic groups with respect to entering into management levels, which definitely matches my common sense perception where more or less Asian colleagues around me constantly complaining about subtly unfair treatment in career advancement. Most of cases are excused with lacking of interpersonal skills, cultural incomprehension, communication incompetency and even a ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 77
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| The enforcement of E.O. 11246 will benefit about 2 million Asian Americans working for industries and universities. Isn't that a pretty impressive number? SB
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Comment/feedback # 78
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| 2 million Asian Americans is indeed impressive. Is this 80% of all AsAms in the country?
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Comment/feedback # 73
| AsAms need to get out of their shells and begin to understand what they are doing to themselves and their children. If getting PhDs’ and Masters can only get you the same standard of living as the whites or Blacks who only need to have Bachelor's degrees, not only you are enslaving yourselves, you are perpetuating the general perception that you are only good at number crunching. What is the point of telling proudly to your fellow AsAms your sons and daughters are Masters and PhDs from top 10 ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 72
| This has been a very informative series but it as been presented very poorly on this web page. I am speaking purely from an aesthetic point of view. I have tried to share this information with others on Facebook but it is not an easily shareable link because of the layout of the page. I think it would be worth putting a little work into the site so that the comments come after the actual post. People come to this link to see the original information not scroll through comments.
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Comment/feedback # 76
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| Thank you for your suggestion. We'll see if the article can be easily placed ahead of all comments.
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Comment/feedback # 66
| support 80-20 for less than 75 years or 3 more generations to see Asian Americans to enjoy equal opportunity for our kids.
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Comment/feedback # 62
| I read your email part 3, but forgive me I still don't understand how the data was gathered. I agree with your purpose, but if you post data from the EEOC, help us understand exactly what is going on so we can devise a plan or explain to us the plan to attack it. Happy Holidays.
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Comment/feedback # 65
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| For constructing Chart 1, there are 3 steps. (1) Data were taken from government websites:
http://www.eeoc.gov/stats/jobpat/2002/us.html,
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d03/tables/dt227.asp,
http:// nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d03/tables/dt228.asp, and
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0334.pdf. (2) The same methodology that was used by EEOC decades ago to show that women and Hispanics faced a glass ceiling was used by 80-20 to calculate AsAm's odds of being promoted to managemen ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 61
| This information is absolutely science with government data. Any one has any problem? Only those who prefer subpression would debate.
I heard loud complaints against blacks from private conversations among the whites in the office during the 70's. I did not understand the situation as a teenager at that time and sided with the whites, but now I DO after educated by SB.
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Comment/feedback # 57
| From reading your messages, it would seem that Obama has not fulfilled his iron-clad promise. Am I wrong in this conclusion? Hit me over the head if you would. I am a little slow.
Happy Holidays!
H. Lum
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Comment/feedback # 63
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| We shouldn't blame Pres. Obama yet. If you were Pres. Obama, would you want to have 80-20's
statistical evidence verified by the Labor Dept. first? That is why 80-20 is having a meeting with DOL. Stay tuned. If reason and facts don't prevail, 80-20 will need your help when it calls for political action. SB
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Comment/feedback # 55
| Are Asian-Ammericans interested and applying in gov't jobs and others? My observations and exposures to Asian/Ams strike me that more are 'shy', don't communicate assertively, loners or clickiest (sp?) in some ways, less sociable and more to themselves instead of community oriented. Are there studies that clearly prove that Asians who applied to certain jobs were 'rejected'over other nationalities/ethnicities? Thank you so much for all your leaderships in these matters. Let's continue to forge o ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 60
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| "Shy",don't communicate assertively, cliquish are how the establishment used to
describe female workers in order to deny them equal opportunity. Do people still
use these terms to describe female workers now that women have equal opportunity
to rise to the top? I'm surprised that you didn't seem to have learned from history. SB
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Comment/feedback # 53
| President Obama made an iron-clad promise to AsAms that he
would "issue a directive to the Labor Department asking it to focus
on enforcing Exec. Order 11246 on behalf of Asian Americans."
Did President Obama carried out his promise yet?
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Comment/feedback # 59
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| Let's NOT blame Pres. Obama just yet. If you were Pres. Obama, would you want the Labor Dept.
to verify the statistical evidence presented by 80-20? What you think 80-20 is having a meeting with DOL for? 80-20 exercises the greatest respect for & patience with our government leaders, but our determination to win equal opportunity is unshakeable. SB
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Comment/feedback # 45
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Chart I was verified in writing by EEOC Chief statistician Ronald Edwards. Note that the
AsAm bars are much shorter than those of African Ams. Does that contradict with
your feeling that "latent discrimination" against blacks is stronger than that against AsAms? Not really. Note that discrimination against blacks "on streets" is one thing. Discrimination against AsAm in "getting good jobs in universities and federal government," bastions of political correctness, is quite another. The ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 49
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| Great effort. Chart 1 shows AsAm have lower chance of rising to management in all sectors including the private sector, which employs most of AsAm workers. I don't understand why your comment mentions Federal government and university but not the private sector.
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Comment/feedback # 44
| there is latent discrimination for sure, but I doubt asians
are being treated unfairly in the same way as african americans.
I am aware of latent things, anecdotes, but not enough to make a
case. do you have actual documented cases?
Chang Liu
Professor
Northwestern University
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Comment/feedback # 46
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| Chart I was verified in writing by EEOC Chief statistician Ronald Edwards. Note that the
AsAm bars are much shorter than those of African Ams. Does that contradict with
your feeling that "latent discrimination" against blacks is stronger than that against AsAms? Not really. Note that discrimination against blacks "on streets" is one thing. Discrimination against AsAm in "getting good jobs in universities and federal government," bastions of political correctness, is quite another. The latter ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 47
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| Thanks for the initiatives. We have limited energy and bandwidth, and
must fight something that we can win. I have been in this country for
20 years and knows well what my kid will be feeling in the society.
Chang
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Comment/feedback # 48
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| Glad that we are converging. How about doing your part & joining our fight? You may either donating to EF via
http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org./donate/donate.asp or joining 80-20 PA.
Thanks for considering. SB
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Comment/feedback # 40
| The article is very informative, even though we were more or less aware of this issue before. This Part One provides a good summary. Thanks for your long and persisting hard work on this.
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Comment/feedback # 38
| I do believe that people do not have to "thoroughly understand" this issue should also be encouraged to expression their concerns or get help for the issue.
F. Qu
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Comment/feedback # 39
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Comment/feedback # 37
| I do believe that people do not have to "thoroughly understand" this issue should also be encouraged to expression their concerns or get help for the issue.
F. Qu
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Comment/feedback # 35
| I need your mailing address to send you my contribution this year. Thanks.
Professor Jarnail Singh
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Comment/feedback # 36
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| It is: 80-20 PAC
P.O. Box 603
Osprey, FL 34229. Please make your check out to 80-20 Educational Foundation. Thank you Prof. Singh. SB
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Comment/feedback # 32
| Dear Mr. Woo:
I really appreciate your tireless and formidable efforts for AsAm equality.
We have been aware of the issues but also failed to cope with it systematically and aggressively like 80-20.
I thought that I could provide another example prior to your DOL meeting -my personal story.
I have been applying for positions in Nuclear Regulatory Commission for Several Years.
They rate me as a "Best Qualified Candidate" but never gave me an interview opportunity and then sent me ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 33
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| Dear Seung:
Thank you for sharing your experience with our community. The more we expose the discrimination we've faced in workplaces, the more we are likely to overcome this immense challenge. Thank you for joining 80-20 and opting for automatic renewal. SB
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Comment/feedback # 31
| The article is a great overview. I suugest to put more emphasis on "How America benefit" in addition to mentioning "make a more perfect union".
I appreacite this selfishless volunteer team to meet with DOL to make the historical first milestone move!
Mark
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Comment/feedback # 27
| It is about time the US government to do something for the hard working Asian people. We are always to "go to" guy/gal in the work places but when it comes to promotion, year after year same old thing, not much.
Clifford
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Comment/feedback # 22
| Very informative. Thanks for the admirable undertaking.
It's been an amazing observation that size of AsAm management is blatantly disproportionate to the size of AsAm workforce in corp. Am., and keeps dwindling, with prob. only exception in the Indian subgroup.
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Comment/feedback # 23
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| Did you say "keeps dwindling"? i didn't know that. You gave me the impression that you are an
expert in such matters. Would you be so kind as to share the latest data with me? The most recent year that 80-20 look into such data was 2006. As the time the latest such data that were available to 80-20 was the 2001 EEOC data. My email address is sbw@udel.edu. Please advise me. Thank
you. S. B. Woo, President, 80-20 Educational Foundation.
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Comment/feedback # 21
| All emails from 80-20 are informative.
To all of you who are working on our behalf, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Your selflessness for this worthy cause is admirable. millie
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Comment/feedback # 15
| I rate this this article as "Informative". Good to know 80-20 is continously working on this.
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Comment/feedback # 18
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| Glad that you asked this question. In (Part 3) of this series of e-newsletters, you will see solid proof that that data and conclusion are correct. I just hope that once you've seen the proof, you will
then do your part to face and rid us of this ugly truth. S.B. Woo
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Comment/feedback # 7
| Very informative. I can't wait to see the executive order being enforced for AsAms. This will be the biggest civil rights action for us all.
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Comment/feedback # 2
| The information contained in "The Ugly Truth about AsAm Inequality" is extremely important and informative to me. The dedication of the '80-20' in finding ways to improve the conditions of AsAm is inspiring and critical. I am planning to send some of the facts provided in the 80-20 communications, especially the graphs of demographic data, to authorities at the university where I work. They had recently sent a 'form' asking our take on the working 'climate' at the university and it is quite poss ... more ...
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Comment/feedback # 41
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| Aravindan,
Great idea. To get results you may want to forward the information to other AsAm colleagues. Chenming Hu
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Comment/feedback # 1
| excellent summary of the issue and very informative. thanks for taking the action.
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The Ugly Truth about AsAm Inequality (Part 1)
This is Part 1 of the "Ugly Truth." Please save it for reference &
forwarding purposes. Other parts will follow shortly.
80-20 will be meeting with the Dept. of Labor (DOL) in a few weeks.
It is about eliminating discrimination against YOU & YOUR KINS in workplaces.
Will 80-20 succeed? Yes, if YOU thoroughly understand the issue, express
YOUR outrage against the UNequal treatment, and respond to possible 80-20 calls
for action.
Topic: The removal of the glass ceiling above Asian Ams. through the
enforcement of Exec. Order 11246 which threatens sanction against
employers that receive any Federal contracts for discriminating against
employees on the basis of ethnicity or national origin, among other things.
CONSEQUENCES: If DOL agrees with 80-20, it'll enforce E.O. 11246 for AsAms as it
did for other minorities and women. Effective? Extremely! If enforced,
we would have more AsAm presidents, vice presidents, directors and
other managers in the corporate world and more AsAm deans, provosts,
VPs and presidents in
universities. In addition, all non-management
AsAm workers benefit from a diverse management at times of
performance review, hiring and firing. AsAm bar charts will look like
other minorities. In the graph below, see that our bars are by far the
shortest. Why? That is what we want to find out from DOL.
NUMBER OF AsAm WORKERS AFFECTED:
2,000,000 AsAms working in private industries; and
71,000 in universities, and
Total: About 2 million AsAm workers.
NUMBER OF AsAms directly AFFECTED: 4 million. This assumes that each
AsAm worker has
on average 1 non-working family member.
NUMBER OF AsAms directly & indirectly AFFECTED: 15 million. "A rising
tide lifts all ships." Once we achieve equal opportunity in
workplaces in the mainstream community, everyone benefits.
DOES AMERICA BENEFIT: Yes. America becomes a "more
perfect Union."
WHO will attend the MEETING(S):
From DOL: Patricia Shiu, Director of Office of Federal Contract
Compliance
Programs (OFCCP), & perhaps Betsy Kim, White House Liason stationed
at DOL & perhaps others.
From 80-20: 2 persons from 80-20's 6-member "DOL Meeting Team".
See * for their names and short bios.
They've spent immense amount of time studying the issues, participating
in conference calls among themselves to prepare for the DOL meeting, and
will travel from hundreds to thousands of miles away to attend the
meetings, probably paying their own way. They are our role models.
This Team will need your great support.
Rate this article as "Informative," or "Somewhat informative," or "Not
informative," or leave other comments at
http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org/politicaledu/posterboard.asp .
Please do YOUR part.
Respectfully yours,
S. B.
President, 80-20 Educational Foundation, Inc.
*Ved Chaudhary of NJ, President, Educators Society for the Heritage of
India (ESHI), Former Member, Board of Trustees, Rutgers Univ., N.J.,
Assistant Commissioner, Dept. of Environmental Protection, NJ,
Chenming Hu of CA, Member of The US Academy of Engineering,
Distinguished Chair professor of electrical engineering at Univ. of Calif,
Berkeley, Chinese Academy of sciences; Academia Sinica,
Alice S. Huang of CA, President-elect of The American Assoc. for the
Advancement of Science (AAAS), retire Porf. From Harvard, retired Dean
of Science at NYU, retired member of the Divison of Biology, Calif.
Institute of Technology, Member of Academic Sinica,
Henry Lee of NY & FL, President, The Financial Marketing Group, worked in
McDonnell Douglas (Missile & Space Systems Division), Northrop Corp
(Space Systems), General Electric, and Arabian American Oil Company,
S. B. Woo of DE & FL, President, 80-20 Educational Foundation; Lt. Gov.
of Delaware (1985-89), former trustee, Univ. of Delaware, and
David Yang of DC, Associate Political Scientist, Rand Corporation, Former
research fellow at Stanford Univ. specializing in democracy promotion
and international development.